Genealogy – Leaders - Millstreet.ie

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Milton Froggatt
July 26th, 2012 at 8:23 AM
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I did too have problems connecting to your site Lorraine…until my computer up ‘n carked it…!!
My new one has no problem connecting though, maybe its some sort of speed issue or something.??
Cheers.
Milton.
L.Egan
July 26th, 2012 at 9:01 AM
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Margaret and Marvella were daughters of Thomas Radley jr.son of Thomas of Claragh andMarvella Chinnery.Thomas Radley of Knockraur,married to Margaret Purdon was son of Francis Radley .(Francis was married to Catherine Hall )He was the father of Jane Radley who married John Leader in 1750. Same names tend to confuse the issue.I discovered Francis is a favourite TWISS name
About difficulty of accessing website, I have no idea why. I can always get it.
Lorraine
L.Egan
July 28th, 2012 at 10:44 PM
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Len Would not the other example of a claim for rent on inherited property by “Henry Leader ,his wife Mary Leader, alias Radley”(further down page on M.Ls manuscript, indicate that “RADLEY” was her name prior to marriage as was Jane Radley alias Miller?Claragh’s eldest son,George, was the inheritor so he is down on chart “Alias Miller” also.Francis Radley Knockraur married Cath Hall in 1696. That proven.not 1796. As for missing generations, would not Francis have a father, grandfather and gt gfr? taking him up to the first RadleyEstimated date of birth for Francis would be 1665 or so .Father,grandf,gtfthr take him up to first (Thomas????) Radley 1590.I see nothing strange about that. I found a Casey input re Radley. “QUOTE Margaret Purdon, b 1670 mar. Thomas Radley Jr of legal age in 1680 son of Thomas Radley of Knockraur Co Cork probably by his wife Marvella Chinnery Casey XIV UNQUOTE” Thomas Radley married Marg Purdon perhaps around 1730s as he was not born till c.1700 He was son of Francis Radley of Knockraur and Cath Hall . Casey is a bit unreliable . I do not put much faith in it.Interesting too is fact that FRANCIS is a TWISS name. In 1853 Burkes we have Jane TWISS, born estimate 1640s (dtr Richard Twiss and Frances Broderick) marrying a Radley and another Burkes designating that Radley as Francis of Knockraur. I wonder if Burkes made another error. Do you know the name of Francis of Knockraur’s mother?
Lorraine

Len Keane
July 29th, 2012 at 4:54 PM
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Lorraine:
You say on July 28th: “Len Would not the other example of a claim for rent on inherited property by “Henry Leader, his wife Mary Leader, alias Radley”(further down page on M.Ls manuscript, indicate that “RADLEY” was her name prior to marriage as was Jane Radley alias Miller?Claragh’s eldest son,George, was the inheritor so he is down on chart “Alias Miller” also”
——-MY ANSWER:
Generally, YES – but not meaning only a “claim for rent on inherited property”. It’s seen in many places such as wills, deeds, any type of documents where the current spouse’s maiden name might be deemed important. The intent may not be of any legal significance at all. You may even find “alias x” on some tombstones. Finding an ‘alias’ such as “MILLER” used by males is very uncommon, especially in Ireland. I don’t recall ever seeing such a usage in the entire Casey series, except for “Radley alias Miller”. If you have, please lt me know. If you are correct, what property are you thinking may be involved?
As late as the early 16th C. in parts of Ireland and Englnd surnames were not yet completly standardized. Wherever Thomas RADLEY, “Alias Miller” came from, occupational surnames may have been used interchangeably, but were dropped within a couple of generations in Irelnd.So, I still must say “Miller” was his trade name.
And, speaking of surnames, someone speculated that LEADER as a surname was of military origin. I looked into that and am quite sure it derives from the Anglo-Saxon “LEDER” or “LEDDER”, found in England along with LEADER. So, originally no doubt leather workers. There is indeed an old song, not too endearing, about the one of the early Millstreet Leaders containing the words “Ye Olde Collier’s Son”.
I’m not sure you got the “Mary” correct though if you’re referring to the Henry Leader, ancestor of th Mt. Leader branch, who d. 1738. He married MARGARET RADLEY in 1689.
Of course, neither Casey, Burke, Michael Leadeer, nor myself are perfect. Example: In Casey several times I’ve seem a female name abbreviated as “Mar.” What are we to make of this short of other confirming evidence? Mary or Margaret??
Fortunately since the Casey series (1950s -1972 approx) tremndous advances in communications and record access have been devloped.
Whatever you have about Maragaret PURDON who married Thomas RADLEY, son of Francis RADLEY of Knockrour by his wife Catherine HALL- LGI, 1958 p. 429;LGI 1904,p. 336. We can say for sure she married Thomas “by 4 April 1726″ (Radley/Purdon marr. sett. signed 4 April 1726; “marriage then already solemnized” IRD #94.380.66785). Thomas was born ca. 1700 and his will was proved 7 July 1750.
Len

Len Keane
July 29th, 2012 at 9:26 PM
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I said 29 July-: “There is indeed an old song, not too endearing, about the one of the early Millstreet Leaders containing the words “Ye Olde Collier’s Son”.”
That of course is incorrect. There is the song, but “Collier” refers to miners, usually coal miners. An early LEADER of the Millstreet family, apparently was in the mining business. There is also a local tradition of LEATHER business. My gr-gr-grandfather was a cordwainer, but was in contact with relatives in Clare, also involved in mining operations there – maybe copper.
Len
Milton Froggatt
July 29th, 2012 at 11:05 PM
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Hi all,
I might add that I’ve seen Henry Leaders wife referred to in different documents & references as Mary, Margaret & Marvella, and as you say, I’d also suspect these are different transcriptions of say Mar or Mar(y)(g) or(v).
“ye olde colliers son” I’d suspect refes to one of Nicholas Philpots sons, as he owned large coal mines in Cork.
Also on a further note I have seen many mistakes in Casey’s versions on different branches of my family, & also one or two in Michael Leaders work, as well as Burkes, BUT there is no doubt that from these most valuable resources we can get the main picture.
Cheers.
Milton.

L.Egan
July 28th, 2012 at 10:47 PM
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Liz Kemmis. Re inability to access website. Maybe you made error in URL. It shouldbe bigpondhosting not bigpondPOSTING.as you have written in your note. Lorraine
L.Egan
July 29th, 2012 at 1:54 AM
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Len You have the Michael Leader chart. You should be able to pick it up from there. Or I guess we go thru Francis R’s son Thomas /mar to Marg.Purdon down to Jane R mar to John Leader.Then Marg.Radley/John LeaderMD down thru Keale side. Present day Keale side all go up to Francis Radley.5xgt gfr., and Claragh’s being cousins. You did say ALL the Radleys and Leaders were cousins. Who was Francis Radleys mother. Do you know?
L.Egan
July 29th, 2012 at 2:28 AM
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Len I should also have added, If Jane Twiss (dtr of Richard Twiss (1610/82) was born approx 1640s, as estimated by marriage of parents 1632) who arrived Ire. 1640s according to Burkes, then she JANE TWISS would have been really underage to have mar.Thomas of Claragh in 1640 (as the date you stated in one post). I do not know of any other Jane TWISS ?efore 1640s., unless the English Twiss’ have a Jane arriving inIreland to specifically marry Thomas of Claragh in 1640. Just a thought.
L.Egan
July 29th, 2012 at 10:03 PM
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Hi Len I quoted verbatim from ML manuscript re H.Leader and wife.No doubt you are rightabout Mary being Margaret. . At least 3 of my great gfrs owned mills, no ref to Miller there.(I can name them), circa 16/17cent.Interesting that you say Leader is an Anglo/Saxon LEDDER..Leather Workers. Gives credence to Milton’s Leaders in England being Leather Workers or Tanners. Now , regarding lineage,you have read my website so you know who my ancestors are, and you left a message on Guestbook, which is still there. …. Can you produce a JANE TWISS who was born 1620/25 who would have married Thomas of Claragh b.1610 & married 1640?The JANE TWISS of Birdhill was born estimated on fathers marriage in 1632 around 1640s,There was no other Jane Twiss in Kerry at that time that I know of. That leaves Jane marrying Francis of Knockraur. Why would he marry a woman 20/25 years older than himself (Do not tell me it was for money or property). As you say Burkes often makes mistakes likewise Casey.I think Jane Twiss was Francis Radley’s mother rather than his wife. Dates fit, Francis is an unusual name in Radley family, but not in Twiss. Francis Radley is ggfather of most early Radley and Leader children and down to present day If we accept that XXXRadley of Bandon(English Protestant settler) is progenitor of Radleys of Cork,( and as he was only English Radley around Bandon at that time 1590) then he is of Leaders also, along with (prob.Henry) Leader, Cromwellian supporter. I am only interested in early Leaders as the latter day ones are fairly well recorded.Radleys, of course, are my main interest,although our lines run together.
Lorraine
Len Keane
July 29th, 2012 at 10:25 PM
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Lorraine-:
I didn’t say JANE TWISS (dau.of Richard Twiss) was born approx 1640. She must have MARRIED Thomas of Claragh ABOUT 1640 or maybe as late as 1650-1655; you said you got that 1640 unlikely birth date from Burke, 1853 Edn. What I said was as follows:
“I am in agreement that Thomas RADLEY “of Claragh” was born ca. 1610; he was known as “Alias Miller” and was living in 1680; I have his estimated marriage date to Jane TWISS as ca. 1640.”
If you have a marriage date of 1632 for Jane’s parents that would bring her marriage date to the mid-1650s. Can you reference that date? Check the marriage dates for several of her children which I sent based on my RADLEY of CLARAGH & KNOCKROUR. The chronology is fine if her marriage date is adjusted to mid-1650s.
I found un-referenced note (sorry!) that mentions another daughter of Frank TWISS & Jane Parsons -: ALICIA TWISS married — MacMAHON” of Co. Clare”.
Based on the other siblings I would say that Alicia would have been born ca. 1640.
Len
L.Egan
July 30th, 2012 at 12:16 AM
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Len I did not say you reported that Jane Twiss was married in 1640. I said that. Point out the posting where you said that, so I canre-read contents. I maintain that there is credible evidence that JANE TWISS was mother,not the wife, of Francis Radley of Knockraur, and as you said, no one is perfect, not even …Burkes or Casey. I also maintain XXX RADLEY of 1590 is the original person who started this family. Do you have evidence to dispute this? Lorraine

Len Keane
July 31st, 2012 at 5:36 AM
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Lorraine-:
Here is what I said in my lengthy post of July 26th about Jane Twiss -:
“I am in agreement that Thomas RADLEY “of Claragh” was born ca. 1610; he was known as “Alias Miller” and was living in 1680; I have his estimated marriage date to Jane TWISS as ca. 1640.”
You say you said that; but I did. Subsequently, if you could reference your source for the 1632 (book, page number??) for her parents marriage, I said I am perfectly agreeable that she could have more likely married in the mid-1550s.
Francis Radley of Knockrour did not marry anyone other than Catherine Hall in 1796, that anyone knows of. No evidence I’ve seen suggests that, but rather confirm only Catherine Hall as his wife.
As I’ve mentioned, my descent from the RADLEYs would be thru Leonard Leader of Keale & Stakehill by a second marriage to a CHINNERY woman. Thus from Leonard’s father, John Leader of Keale by his wife, Jane, dau. of Thomas RADLEY of Knockrour by his wife, Margaret PURDON. Without checking your line from your webpage, which is difficult to follow, I would say we are 4th cousins, maybe a degree removed or so. Of course with multiple common ancestors there would be multiple cousinships.
I would suggest that you put all your info together in chart form, as I have done with mine, and post it with clearcut references and showing linkages to the several lines you are interested in. That would make it a lot easier to follow. Of course I agree we are all free to post and discuss anything relevent, but I feel these exchanges are getting tedious for many and there really is no need to rehash details that you already seem to have on your web site and which I have researched long ago. Do you have a genealogy program? I use ‘Family Tree Maker’ which is most useful and easy to use.
Len

Liz Kemmis
July 30th, 2012 at 9:29 PM
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Thanks Lorraine and everyone the Radleys of Cork website working fine now so maybe there was an issue with the overal site hoster. Thanks for all your comments and assistance.
L.Egan
July 31st, 2012 at 1:05 AM
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Hello Now, I can understand your mystification. WHERE and WHEN did I state that JOHN RADLEY of KNOCKRAUR.The ALIAS MILLER is referred to in wife’s paper as his wife’s name. Please point out the posting. I looked back and did not see it.You asked for evidence, are we not allowed to use Burkes reference as to Jane Radley of Knockraur having a father called JOHN RADLEY OF KNOCKRAUR? or speculate on who our ancestors might be?I have seen much more questionable ancestors on other charts, in fact some are downright laughable. and I might politely point out we are free to discuss the Radleys and Leaders with anyone on this forum., What is your connection to Radleys?
See you later
Lorraine http://www.radleysofcork.bigpondhosting.com Australia
L.Egan
July 31st, 2012 at 1:25 AM
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Len….Tracked down that posting. 21st July. QUOTE “Incidentally Janes marriage is in Burkes under Morragh P 866 stating she was daughter of JOHN RADLEY.UNQUOTE. The next part read” The alias Miller is referred to in papers by his wifes name”. Meaning no reference to JOHN RADLEY. Should have made it a different paragraph.Perhaps a little unclear. I shall try to be a better typiste next time. Lorraine
Rosaleen Underwood
August 1st, 2012 at 10:44 PM
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The Irish Genealogical Research Society has a Leader pedigree in it’s library in London. Their webpage does not mention that they also hold the Leader Collection of pedigrees. Their library is only open on Saturday afternoons (by appointment only) as it is manned by volunteers. I don’t know if they would copy or transcribe the pedigree for you if you weren’t able to visit. They might ask you to join the Society(25 euro per year).

Len Keane
August 2nd, 2012 at 6:54 PM
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Rosaleen:
That’s good to know. Originally Michael was to bequeathe his documents elsewhere, but expressed concerns about security. Glad to learn where they are. Possibly the IGRS has or could prepare a viewable index. There could well be items there that would also be of help to some related families. Thank you.
Len
Milton Froggatt
August 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 PM
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It looks like a subscription cost 20 pounds……if I’m correct.

L.Egan
August 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 PM
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It would cost a fortune to hire a good researcher. They do not undertake any work for you.I was a member.
Lorraine
Andrew O’Sullivan
August 5th, 2012 at 9:25 PM
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You may be interested to know that the Leader family are said to have arrived with Cromwell to West Cork and were the major landowners around Keale near Millstreet and lived in Keale Manor which was burnt during the war of independence. The Irish census for 1901 and I think 1911 are now on line and you’ll find the last of the Leader family living in the big house in Keale (probably Keale Managh rather than Keale North or Keale South.
They are the only protestant family in the area. The local O’Sullivans long since departed fortuitously benefited from the patronage (knowing or otherwise) of the Leader family. I very much doubt that any Leader has lived in the area since the 1920s.
John Collie
September 9th, 2012 at 11:13 PM
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Hi, I’ve started looking into my Leaders in Christchurch NZ.
I have birth and death records of George Leader, my great grand father, who died under chloroform aged 27 in 1924(at the dentist I think). His parents were John Leader and Bridget (nee McCarthy) who lived at Cashel St., Linwood.
Thanks to the wonderful “Papers Past” website I have found a little bit of unsavory info on this couple. In 1876 John was charged with assaulting his wife. She’s sounds like she could give just as well as she got and was also charged several times with drunkenness and abuse of her husband.
On a more positive note, my Grandfather, Vernon Leader, is still the oldest man to have completed the Grand Traverse of Mt Cook which he did at the age of 63!
Anyway, I know these Leaders are my Leaders and I’m interested in a bit of an outline of their route to New Zealand. My late mother, Maurneen (nee Leader) did a bit of research and even visited Millstreet at one stage. Can some one help?
regards, John Collie.

Len Keane
September 10th, 2012 at 8:18 PM
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Hello John! Welcome ro the Leader discussion. My 3rd Cousin, Margaret (Leader) Kaiser, started the discussions. We both have done a lot of Leader research on your/our branch. I have a very brief lineage for your own line provided mainly by my cousin Margaret – so most would appear to be what she gleaned verbally from her family members back in the 1970s
I see your mother’s name, “Maurneen who m. — Graham, of Dunedin” and they had “four children”. I also note that your grandfather was “John Vernon Leader” (though he may have gone by the name Vernon). According to the pedigree I have, he was a son of William George Leader “of Canterbury, Christchurch, NZ, who was born “14 November 1886; died 1913, age 27″. He also apparently was known by his middle name, George. So, his age at death coincides with your info but as Cuz Margaret supplied an exact birth date it probably came from a certificate and 1913 seems most likely.
As for the “unsavory” info, it’s unfortunate that these are often
recorded in public records, leaving the nice things to imagination! In many cases these are “he said/she said” type allegations which may not reflect the true picture.
I think Margaret is monitoring this Millstreet blog though I haven’t heard from her for awhile. I will email her and hope we all can compare notes and add to what we already know about trhe Leaders, which is considerable.
Cheers, Len Keane
(also your Cousin, in Massachusetts)

Margaret Leader now Kaiser
October 28th, 2012 at 1:32 AM
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Does anyone know how to contact John Collie of Dunedin, New Zealand? I am his 2nd cousin.

John Collie
October 28th, 2012 at 9:22 PM
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Hi Margaret, call me at the Christchurch City Council.
John

Margaret Kaiser (Leader)
September 11th, 2012 at 1:25 AM
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Again welcome John, (son of Maurneen and Graham of Dunedin) this is from your 2nd cousin this time, Margaret (Leader) Kaiser, 3rd cousin to Len Keane. I would like to make contact with you and will look here for any message from you. I remember your parents and grandparents quite well although I live up in Christchurch. Your great grandmother was Ethel May Leader, the mother of your grandfather. Are you just starting this branch or do you have more information? I was truly surprised when Len wrote to me!
Lorraine Egan
September 12th, 2012 at 10:39 PM
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For Leader researchers…..An article on direct descendents of HENRY LEADER of Saffron Walden,Essex, (likely ancestors of Cork Leaders) is on our website Radleys of Cork. Page Radley/Leader/Lindsey) It is placed down a bit from article on Richard Leader, IronWorks Mgr.under aerial photo of Keale House
Lorraine(Radley) Egan Australia.
Lorraine Egan
November 26th, 2012 at 5:20 AM
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For interested Leader Researchers. See updated Leader/Radley/Twiss info. on Radleys of Cork website (Radleys 1590 page).Sources given (and dates)..
Lorraine Egan
Rosaleen Underwood
November 26th, 2012 at 4:02 PM
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Harking back to Len’s post of 29th July re poor transcriptions in Burke, O’Casey et al, this all goes back to sloppy record keeping of church records. Mary and Margaret were regularly abbreviated to Mar., and even looking at the actual records, it is often very difficult to distinguish between Mary and Margt. between the abbreviations and the handwriting.
Rosaleen

Len Keane
November 26th, 2012 at 9:55 PM
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Rosaleen:
I am in complete agreement with your comments on “sloppy record keeping of church records.” If you have ever examined the original Catholic records of Castleisland, Co. Kerry, you will know what I mean. Dr. Casey reportedly had to make three separate copies to be sure some of them were correct. The church does have transcribed copies available and accessible to visitors to the Parish. My advice would be to check Casey’s published version, as well as what is recorded at the church, and compare with verifiable family knowledge. This would apply to any original Irish church records.
Here is what I said in my lengthy post of July 26th to Lorraine about Jane Twiss; I note that I MADE A TYPO at the very end! -:
“I am in agreement that Thomas RADLEY “of Claragh” was born ca. 1610; he was known as “Alias Miller” and was living in 1680; I have his estimated marriage date to Jane TWISS as ca. 1640……I said I am perfectly agreeable that she could have more likely married in the mid-1550s.” – L.K.
BUT, the last stated marriage date should read -: “…she (Jane Twiss) could have more likely married in the MID-1650s.”
So, we all should be aware how anyone can make an error, and reflect on how such a mistake made prior to computers, and even typewriters, might easily go uncorrected or even un-noticed – and taken as literal fact many years or centuries later.
Finally, I cannot find Lorraine’s current web site. Does anyone know the URL address for her Radley site??
Len Keane

Milton Froggatt
November 27th, 2012 at 8:07 AM
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This is why I question whether Henry Leader who died in 1738 married Mary/Margaret/ or Marvella RADLEY. All these names carry on in later generations, so it is a bit impossible to know exactly what her name was. Different references have different names….it is probable therefore that these references were trancribed differently. Mar. for example transcribed as any of these.
Cheers.
Milton.
Rhyl Dearden
December 1st, 2012 at 3:15 AM
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Hello all in Millstreet, especially the Kellehers. I am wondering if anyone who attended the morning tea with the Shannon Family group who visited Millstreet on 24th August this year had since learned any more about family stories of a Katherine Kelleher who went to Australia in 1830-1840. We were hoping that someone might have a family story of an aunt, cousin, sister, daughter etc who left Ireland from around the Millstreet, Macroom, Boherbui area.
I hope all are well and that the winter is not too severe for you.
Rhyl
Lorraine Egan
December 6th, 2012 at 9:48 PM
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You all probably know of this, but, google Abandonded Ireland Mt leader Spectacular views of ruins of Mt Leader house. Sad that there are so many neglected ruins in Ireland.
L.Egan
Frank Leader
December 9th, 2012 at 7:24 AM
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Hey there, my name is Frank Leader, grandson of Dr Leo Leader (Millstreet, Cullen) who is alive and well at 94. We live in Rosnalea, Boherbue – my father is the local GP Dr Len Leader. Hope that helps; I am an emergency doctor in New Zealand at the moment!

Mary leader
December 16th, 2012 at 11:05 PM
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Hello Mary Leader here, I am related to the Leaders of Mount Leader and the Keale branch. My father Leonard is stii alive at 94. He was born in Cullen and lives in Boherbue a few miles away where he worked as a family doctor for 40 years. His son Len is still Gzp there . Mary leader <email>
Margaret Leader now Kaiser
December 17th, 2012 at 3:52 AM
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Hi Frank! Fancy you being Down Under – in New Zealand, that is! I live in Christchurch and have sent a short email to your aunt (I presume) Mary Leader. She has my email address if you want to make contact. I was amazed that your grandfather is still alive at 94! I visited him in Boherbue and he talked about Rosnalee. You were from one marriage going back 2 or 3 generations and I came down from another marriage! Have a great Kiwi Christmas experience!

Milton Froggatt
December 17th, 2012 at 6:54 AM
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Hi Frank and Mary.
Could I possibly ask who Leonard’s father was?
If you would like to keep this more private I can be reached at <email>
Thanks.
Milton.

Mary leader
December 29th, 2012 at 12:25 AM
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Leonard my brother, Frank’s father was born in 1950. His father Leo (Leonard) was born in 1918 and is still alive, a retired family doctor. His father, also Leonard, was one of the Leaders of Keale. My mother is much more up to date than I am if you have further questions I will pass them on to her Kind Regards Mary Leader

oweena Fogarty
December 19th, 2012 at 8:47 AM
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I just found out that my mother was born in Millstreet in about 1914. The family of James O´Mahoney immigrated to the United States in 1926. Are there still a lot of O´mahoney´s in Millstreet?
I would be grateful for any information.

Michael
December 19th, 2012 at 9:24 AM
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hi oweena, there’s lots of O’Mahony’s in Millstreet these days

oweena fogarty
December 20th, 2012 at 1:12 AM
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Thank-you so much for this information. I know my mother´s sister Eileen did not immigrate to the US. She had a daughter-Annette who was killed in an auto accident with her fiance in 1960?? I am planning to be in Ireland in May and would like to meet some of these O´Mahoney´s. maybe i can connect through this web site??
Thanks and have a great Christmas.
Oweena
Lorraine Egan
December 26th, 2012 at 9:44 PM
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Leader/Radley/Twiss info…………………………………….. Thomas(?) Radley, arrived 1590 Bandon b.Englishman. is progenitor of Radley/Leader family .Leaders were brought into Radley family by marriage of Thomas Radley(son of Thomas R. of Claragh, 8th gtgfr) and Marvella Chinnery producing Margaret and Marvella who went on to marry 2 Leader brothers. The two girls were first cousin to my 5th gtgfather FRANCIS RADLEY, esq, KNOCKRAUR. Jane Radley,dtr of Thomas Radley & granddaughter of Francis Radley married John Leader.of Keale approx 1733. George Radley/MARY TWISS b.1645 Shropshire She was dtr Richard Twiss /Jane X of Shropshire, England. Richard Twiss did not arrive in Ireland until after 1650s as Land Agent.
Tree THOMAS RADLEY arrived Bandon 1595 b.maybe 1575 8th gt gfr
THOMAS RADLEY CLARAGH b. 1610(?) mar.JANE X (WIDOW) 7th gt gfr
GEORGE RADLEY married MARY TWISS b.1645 Shropshire dtr of RICHARD TWISS 6th ggfr
FRANCIS RADLEY b.1670/75 md Cath.Hall in 1696 5th gt g.
4.Richard Radley. 3 RICHARD RADLEY. 2.THOMAS RADLEY 1.RICHARD HENRY RADLEY, JULIUS FRANCIS RADLEY gfather, ELIZABETH RADLEY, mother.
Present day LEADERS OF KEALE all follow direct line with me thru Radleys.
Lorraine Egan Australia
Lorraine Egan
March 5th, 2013 at 11:31 PM
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An interesting Radley/Leader connection Source..India Office Family History Soc. RECORD DETAILS NAME JOHN RADLEY LEADER
EVENT DEATH
DATE 10th April, 1906
LOCATION AHMEDNAGAR INDIA
STATUS LT. 2/CONNAUGHT RANGERS
Transcribed by British Library
Lorraine(Radley/Leader) Egan Australia

Milton FROGGATT
March 6th, 2013 at 7:07 AM
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b. 4 September 1880, Son of Richard Radley LEADER b. 1851
Cheers.
Milton.

Lorraine Egan
April 9th, 2013 at 3:38 AM
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LEADER information taken from CORK EXAMINER: SOUTH AMERICA 22/11/1868
1868 Mr.Leader, ( son of Henry Leader and Maria Miller, gson Nicholas Philpot Leader and nephew of member for Cork,) was murdered in his own house(South America) after returning from FREY BENTOS after delivering livestock. His house was robbed and ransacked No perpetrators have been apprehended…
Lorraine Egan

Len Keane
April 10th, 2013 at 11:37 PM
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Hello Lorraine:
The man murdered in S. America is also recorded in Burke, “Irish Family Records” (Amer. Ed.), p. 702. -:
Henry, murdered in S. America 22 August 1868, was 2nd son of Henry (Leader) of Clonmoye, Co. Cork, b. 1815; he m. 1st 14 June 1841, Maria Winifred (d. 14 Oct 1862), dau. of John Bermingham Miller, Q.C.: Henry (b. 1815) was 3rd aon of Nicholas Philpot Leader, who m. 2 November 1807 Margaret (d. 8 Oct 1858), dau. & c-heiress of of Andrew Nash, of Nashville or Rosnalee, Co. Cork and d. 7 Feb 1836.
I’m sure this entry is also found in some other editions of Burke’s “Landed Gentry of Ireland”, etc.
Len Keane

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